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  1. § Joe Email said on :
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    I like your design but the only flaw that I see is that you are controlling the temp of the wort leaving the heating coil and entering the mash tun. How ever by the time that the Wort actually re-enters the mash the temperature that is going into the mash tun is going to be lower then the temp that your probe is reading. There fore its not going to be as accurate as it could be but I guess your going to have the same problem with a rims as well. I think that some home brewers fail to realize that it is your mash in the mash tun that you are trying to keep at set temperatures. It's not the flow of wort that is leaving the coil. You could have 152 leaving the coil but your temperature in the mash tun its self will be a lot lower. There fore you are really never hitting accurate bench marks in your actual grain bed. It is the Grain that needs to stay at set temps not the wort. The wort is just the by product.
  2. § Mike Flaminio® Email said on :
    Joe, I didn't know you were in my garage to see that the system doesn't work as I described. :)

    I disagree but appreciate the time for your thoughts. Perhaps you may want to look at the rest of the HERMS articles in the HERMS category to see what I'm doing. This is just an overview.

    I agree that the mash temp is what is important, which is the foundation of the entire system. I cross check my mash temp with the HERMS settings. There is no temperature loss from the probe point and the mash because it's 1/2 an inch from returning to the MLT.

    The problem with controlling from the mash is there's a lag. If I want 152 in the tun, the HLT will keep heating until the mash only at the thermometer reads 152. The problem is there is likely excessive energy now in the HLT and it will carry over, creating fluctuation. It works, and probably isn't a big deal, but there's a better way. This problem is particularly evident when doing mash steps. I know this because I did it. If however, you set the HERMS to deliver a set temp to the mash, and recirculate continuously, the mash will be that temp. I know this because I've got over 40 batches on this system since putting it together last year.
  3. § Joe Email said on :
    It was nothing against your system I do like your approach what I was getting at was more against the RIMS/Herms brewing design in General.

    I agree putting the sensor into the bed is going to produce over shots of mash temps. I believe that where your dial thermometer is that you may be getting similar readings as your PID.

    I just believe without a proper mixing device that you are going to get hot spot's and cold spots in the mash bed.

    I know I have never seen your system in action but I have seen many like it. I do however believe that being a few degrees off a mash is not the end of the world.
  4. § Mike Flaminio® Email said on :
    Well, if you don't need a recirculating heating system, then this is all moot. Different brewers simply have different gear and priorities, however.

    I don't see the need to mix the mash. If the one can get sufficient sugar extraction during the lauder without mixing, particularly after an hour long recirculation, then it stands to reason the wort too flows satisfactorily through the mash during recirculation. I of course have tested this with thermometer spot checks and was satisfied.

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